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Experiments on 33-isogeny Selmer groups of elliptic curves with a 33-torsion point

Ariel Weiss, Dongchen Zou

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Source: arXiv

Published: Sep 25, 2026

arXiv: 2609.31330

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Let EA,B ⁣:y2+Axy+By=x3E_{A,B}\colon y^2 +Axy + By = x^3 be an elliptic curve over Q\mathbb{Q}. The 33-torsion point (0,0)(0,0) induces a 33-isogeny φ ⁣:EA,B→EA,B′φ\colon E_{A,B}\to E_{A,B}'. Assuming EA,BE_{A,B} has good reduction at 33, we construct an explicit (m+t)×m(m+t)\times m matrix MA,B′M_{A,B}' over F3\mathbb{F}_3, whose kernel encodes the dual isogeny Selmer group Sel⁡φ^(EA,B′)\operatorname{Sel}_{\widehatφ}(E_{A,B}') modulo the image of the torsion point (0,0)(0,0). Here, m=ω(B)−1m = ω(B) - 1, and tt encodes the \emph{global Selmer ratio} 3t−23^{t-2}. We compute MA,B′M_{A,B}' in various regimes for billions of elliptic curves EA,BE_{A,B}. Based on our data, and motivated by prevalence of random linear algebraic models throughout number theory, we conjecture that, for fixed mm and tt, the matrices MA,B′M_{A,B}' become uniformly distributed, and we formulate a corresponding conjecture for the distribution of Sel⁡φ(EA,B)\operatorname{Sel}_φ(E_{A,B}). Our model predicts that, for fixed tt, the average size of Sel⁡φ(EA,B)\operatorname{Sel}_φ(E_{A,B}) is 1+3t1 + 3^t.

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