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Vanishing Uniform Turán Densities: Characterization and Jumps

Hao Lin, Jie Ma, Wenling Zhou

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Source: arXiv

Published: Oct 20, 2026

arXiv: 2610.28574

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Uniform Turán density problems ask for the minimum density threshold that guarantees a copy of a fixed 3-uniform hypergraph FF in every sufficiently large 3-uniform hypergraph whose edges are uniformly distributed. This line of research was initiated by Erdős and Sós in the 1980s, who introduced the notion of \emph{vertex-set Turán density} πvvv(F)π_{vvv}(F). Reiher, Rödl and Schacht later defined two related concepts, namely, the \emph{vertex-pair Turán density} πve(F)π_{ve}(F) and the \emph{cherry Turán density} πee(F)π_{ee}(F), which satisfy the chain of inequalities πvvv(F)≥πve(F)≥πee(F)π_{vvv}(F)\geπ_{ve}(F)\geπ_{ee}(F). In this paper, we investigate the problem for their vanishing densities. First, we characterize the 3-uniform hypergraphs FF for which πee(F)=0π_{ee}(F)=0, thereby answering a question posed by Schacht. We show that these are precisely the so-called \emph{max-layered} 3-uniform hypergraphs recently introduced by Lamaison. Furthermore, we answer an analogous question of Lamaison for the \emph{minimum-codegree palette density} πeepalπ_{ee}^{\rm pal}. Together, these results imply that the following are equivalent: πee(F)=0π_{ee}(F)=0, πeepal(F)=0π_{ee}^{\rm pal}(F)=0, and FF is a max-layered 3-uniform hypergraph. Let ⋆∈{vvv,ve,ee}\star \in \{vvv, ve, ee \}. We say that zero is a \emph{jump} for π⋆π_{\star} if there exists c>0c>0 such that no 33-uniform hypergraph FF satisfies π⋆(F)∈(0,c)π_{\star}(F)\in(0,c). A famous result of Reiher, Rödl and Schacht asserts that zero is a jump for πvvvπ_{vvv}. In contrast, we prove that zero is not a jump for either πveπ_{ve} or πeeπ_{ee}. This also yields a negative answer to Schacht's well-ordering question for πveπ_{ve}. Together with existing results, these findings complete the picture for all three notions of uniform Turán density at zero.

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